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3/26: Nigel speaks
By: Rodney Ho | March 26, 2007, 2:39PM EST

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“Idol” executive producer Nigel Lythgoe, on a print press conference today, said the songwriting competition is still on. He said there may not be time to do a TV special focused on the songwriter songs but he’s still pushing it. The producers are focused on the “Idol Gives Back” charity event April 24-25.

Lythgoe admits he hasn’t heard the first albums of Fantasia, Ruben or Taylor Hicks, though he liked Kelly Clarkson’s and Carrie Underwood’s. “It’s not my type of music,” he said. “I like more middle of the road stuff. When they leave us, they go to different ways. I like country. I have little time to listen to outside music. I’m constantly listening to music of that week and trying to get everything downloaded to get as wide a spectrum of choice as I can.”

And he’s modest about the “Idol” impact. “It doesn’t really mean anything in real life,” he said.

I asked him whether he was disappointed no country singer made it in the final 24. He didn’t really answer the question per se.

“I don’t think we know what we’re ending up with. The top 24 are chosen from what the judges believe are the correct ones. And then America brings them down to the top 12. We don’t have much say in it.”

Then I asked about the dropping ratings (about 10 percent since performances started compared to last year.)

“Even if we lost 50 percent, we’d be a top 3 program. I’m not really that worried. Everyone tells me it’s a great deal to due with daylight savings. [That hurts viewership by about 6 percent.] It affects the programs with the most ratings the highest. People are saying this is not our greatest year for talent. I don’t necessarily agree with them. We’ve got five or six of the best singers we’ve ever had in ‘American Idol.’ If it is a bad year in talent, we’ll find out the next few weeks. We do always watch a ratings fall of 3 to 4 percent in that area.”

He’s also a big fan of Jordin Sparks. “Jordin continues to surprise me to be frank. I’m watching her grow week in and week out. From this 17 year old I saw a number of years ago when she auditioned for ‘American Juniors,’ I’m watching a young lady come to fruition and a huge talent.” He noted that she’s jumping genres very well.

Overall, he thinks five or six can win it. “It’s an open race at the moment because people can cancel each other out,” he said.

Any changes to the format? “We think we are almost there for the format. Now it’s the talent and different genres of music, how well the host carries the show through, how well the judges speak, how well the mentor that week is. We are reliant on a lot of things to produce a good show or bad show. The format is pretty near set.”

His thoughts on Sanjaya: “He has become a lightning rod. This kid has guts. You have to applaud that.” He thinks little girls are voting for him, keeping him around though he’s been in the bottom two several times.

Like me, he dismissed the impact of votefortheworst.com: “It’s a bit like a fly buzzing around a car. When you get 30 million votes, whatever that web site does is not enough.”

He repeated from last year two themes he hasn’t been able to do yet: a Beatles or Eagles night.

No comment about the lawsuit against Mario Vazquez. (No surprise there.)

(13) Comments
Posted by: uga on March 26, 2007 4:08PM EST
So if he's on the record as saying that only the judges pick the contestants, and the judges seem to think certain contestants have no place being in the competition, then who's full of it?

Are we really to believe that the judges thought Sanjaya and Antonella and Sundance and Alaina were good enough a few months ago and then they were so bad that they were berating them by the semi-finals? If not why were they there in the first place given Nigel's statement?

Any thoughts?

Posted by: Mitch on March 26, 2007 4:33PM EST
Simon will many times refer to the contestants as sounding very "Karaoke". CMT now has a show "Karaoke-Dokey". It is a 30 minute show with 4 contestants. All of the songs for the episode are from the same artist. They have 3 judges. The top 2 scores will have a sing off for King or Queen Karaoke-Dokey. No one on AI has ever sounded like these people. They are trying to look and sound like the artist of the episode. Today was Toby Keith and it was hilarious!!

Posted by: shay on March 26, 2007 4:35PM EST
The judge's IMO did not pick the top 24. They may have announced the top 24, but certainly didn't pick them. They let way too many talented ones go and kept the more contraversial contestants for higher ratings i.e. Sanjaya, the McPhee look alike, a few young, a few old, some tall, some skinny, etc etc etc. It's all about money and ratings.

Posted by: Diane1 on March 26, 2007 5:13PM EST
You guys have hit it on the head. Nigel can say that all he wants, but he is full of bull but i am glad it is at least on the record. Yet another reason why i wont watch "AI gives back". It is done for ratings and for nothing else. If a worthy cause just happens to get some moeny, so be it is how i think they think. Even Simon admitted that it would not be AI without controversy.

Posted by: JTesla on March 26, 2007 5:30PM EST
I thought that I saw something a year or two back that there are four votes to put people through to the top 24, the three judges and a producer. It stands out to me because my wife, being the logical one, asked "what happens if it is a tie?"


However, I do believe that the judges have an interest in putting through people that will boost ratings, if the show tanks because it becomes just another singing competition those three won’t profit. It should also be noted that we rarely know what judges favored each of the top 24.

Posted by: uga on March 26, 2007 5:53PM EST
at one point there were some ties because paula was missing and Simon's vote counted twice at that point. Also, when a guest judge is in Simon's vote counts twice. Now whether Simon really vote's twice or if a off-camera producer tells him the extra vote, or tells everyone their votes, I don't know.

Posted by: linnykat on March 26, 2007 7:11PM EST
so... to complete change topic for just a moment... does anyone know when So You Think You Can Dance will start this season?

now...back to Nygel's interview and subsequent posts ... i thought ... and i am only going from spotty memory here, and could be wrong, so feel free to tell me where i'm wrong, but be nice! i'm admitting i might be wrong before i start... the production staff chooses who gets through to the next level, for what, 3 rounds? then they finally get in to see the Big3... then those who are accepted by the Big3 are narrowed down by group auditions and other things, such as the Big3 watching past video auditions, etc... and a certain number (40 this year? or was there a higher level inbetween?) are grouped and the Big3 take their photos and sort them into 3 groups, "yes" "yes" and "no" to get the final 24... so the Bi3 Judges WOULD be choosing, out of the weaned down groups, the "Final 24" who are then voted out by twos to get the Final 12???

yes? no? partially?

help!?

Posted by: Deirdre on March 26, 2007 7:23PM EST
As convoluted as that was, linny :-), I think you're right. The producers have a say in who gets to sing in front of the Big3 in each city...and to add, I think Nigel still has a hand in commenting on those info sheets that the Big 3 always seem to be looking at during the city auditions. It could be as innocuous as 'I like this one' or maybe it goes even further to 'send this one to Hollywood'. After that, we are led to believe that it's the Big 3 who make the final choice, and I tend to believe that considering the amount of arguing that goes on between them.

Posted by: shay on March 26, 2007 7:36PM EST
D and Linny, the mystery lies in whether someone other than the 3 judges put the top 24 through. We know what we see as viewers, but I think the question is more of whether behind the scenes, the judges already know before hand who they will put in the top 24. We do see them flipping sheets, and listening to auditions, etc on t.v. but in reality, are they really picking the top 24? As someone said before, how can they be so disgusted with some people who aren't performing up to par, when they put them in the top 24 and left out great singers like Tatiana, Jenry, Akron (sp?), Bailey, etc. Only to put Sanjaya, Antonella, Haley (who is doing o.k. but not as good as the others), etc through.

Posted by: Rodney Ho on March 26, 2007 10:19PM EST
Nigel didn't really answer my question when I asked whether he was disappointed there was no country singer in the top 24 given the success of folks like Carrie and Josh and Kellie. Given I had only two questions, I had a choice of following up that question with a clarification to force him to answer it or go on to my next question about ratings. I opted to go with ratings.

As for who decides the final 24, I presume the producers and judges work together to pick their favorite 12 of each gender, seeking a mix of interesting personalities and vocals. Some better vocalists fall on the wayside of course but I'm sure if you have an interesting back story (Melinda, Phil) or personality (Chris S., Jordin), you get a leg up.

Posted by: Rodney Ho on March 26, 2007 10:20PM EST
So You Think You Can Dance usually starts the week after "Idol" is over in late May/early June.

Posted by: Rodney Ho on March 26, 2007 10:22PM EST
I'm told Nigel will be in Atlanta April 5-7 to help judge the early rounds of "So You Think You Can Dance" at the Fox Theatre. I will try to snag him then and see if he'll answer some more questions. I'll post a blog seeking more questions from y'all though he'll probably want me to ask more "So You Think.." questions.

Posted by: linnykat on March 27, 2007 12:52AM EST
man i'd LOVE to be a fly on the wall at the fox during those auditions!!!! hey Rodney, can you get me press creds? [kidding of course]

Perhaps, Rodney, a question comparing AI and SYTYCD in some way? not the obvious {money} or {audience} but perhaps about the impact of the shows on their respective fields insofar as opening up the industry to some folks who might just otherwise never have gotten through the front door?

or perhaps we can come up with something deeper even by next week ~¿@ ... something to put Rodney in the face of the big guy himself, in a positive way!!! then maybe Rodney can get himself an inside track **heh heh heh**


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